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Biden’s ABC Town Hall Ratings Trumps Trump’s NBC Town Hall

Posted by Warm Southern Breeze on Friday, October 16, 2020

Trump Lost.

Joe Biden and ABC were the BIG WINNERS in Thursday night’s “split screen America” debate.

Biden’s Q & A Town Hall meeting Thursday, October 15, 2020 with voters was held in Philadelphia’s National Constitution Center with George Stephanopoulos moderating. Both men, and all attendees were more than adequately distanced for public health reasons.

Meanwhile, Trump’s Town Hall was conducted outdoors at the Perez Art Museum in Miami, and was moderated by NBC’s Savannah Guthrie, a Georgetown Law graduate who was distanced at least 12 feet from the President.

But it turns out NBC was played for a fool by the Manipulator in Chief.

Trump lost.

NBC lost.

After initially rejecting the Commission on Presidential Debates offer to conduct a “virtual” town hall, Trump reached out to NBC to hold the town hall style meeting on the same day and time slot as Joe Biden’s appearance in Philadelphia in a direct head-to-head viewership challenge to feed his fragile ego.

Yashar Ali, a contributor to New York Magazine and HuffPost wrote that several NBC employees were angered, and that “over a dozen NBC, MSNBC, and CNBC sources (talent and staff) and the frustration with and anger toward their employer for scheduling a town hall against Biden is palpable.”

Trump lost.

NBC lost.

NBC News agreed to put Trump before voters in a town hall style event on Thursday, October 15 – the same day as Biden’s scheduled town hall in Philadelphia – stipulating that beforehand, he must have submitted to an independent coronavirus test with the results reviewed by Dr. Anthony Fauci.

NBC said that Trump was administered a coronavirus test Tuesday by the National Institutes of Health, the results of which were reviewed by NIH Clinical Director Dr. Clifford Lane and Dr. Anthony Fauci, both who stated after reviewing the President’s medical records, that they had a high degree of confidence that the president was “not shedding infectious virus.”

But Trump’s COVID-19 test wasn’t the only thing reviewed.

AdWeek magazine reported that “Nielsen data released this afternoon [shows that] the two-hour ABC News Town Hall broadcast with former vice president Biden, moderated by George Stephanopoulos, delivered 13.9 million total viewers and 4.57 million adults 25-54 from 8-10 p.m. ET.”

Viewership ratings for the two October 15 town halls were:

ABC NBC News Group
• Total Viewers: 13,900,000 13,100,000
• A25-54: 4,569,000 3,616,000

 

 

 

Oct. 15 town halls (8 p.m. hour only):

ABC NBC News Group
• Total Viewers: 14,100,000 13,100,000
• A25-54: 4,486,000 3,616,000

 

 

 

“NBC News’ hourlong town hall with President Trump, moderated by Savannah Guthrie, delivered 13.1 million total viewers and 3.62 million adults 25-54 across three networks from 8-9 p.m. ET.”

“ABC’s 13.9 million total viewers figure represents its largest average audience in that particular two-hour time period in over 10 years.

“Head-to-head against the Trump town hall, the first hour of the Biden town hall (8-9 p.m. ET) averaged 14.1 million total viewers and 4.49 million adults 25-54.

“Last night’s town hall with Biden significantly outdrew the 90-minute ABC News town hall with Trump on Sept. 16, which averaged just 3.97 million viewers. That’s a +250% difference.

“NBC’s Trump town hall was +96% in total viewers and +163% in adults 25-54 versus its Oct. 5 town hall with former vp Biden, which drew 6.7 million total viewers across NBC, MSNBC and CNBC; 3.85 million of whom watched on NBC and 2.67 million on MSNBC (the rest watched the CNBC simulcast).

US President Donald Trump gestures as he speaks during an NBC News town hall event moderated by Savannah Guthrie at the Perez Art Museum in Miami on October 15, 2020.

“MSNBC’s simulcast of the Trump town hall drew 1.8 million total viewers, and 432,000 adults 25-54. If that sounds low for MSNBC’s 8 p.m. hour, that’s because it is. On the previous Thursday, Oct. 8, the network’s regularly scheduled 8 p.m. show, All In With Chris Hayes, drew nearly 2.6 million total viewers and 450,000 25-54. It’s also -31% from what the network drew for the Joe Biden town hall on Oct. 5.”

CBS News reported on Guthrie’s interview of Trump, which comprised the first portion of the event.

“At a town hall Thursday night, NBC News’ Savannah Guthrie went toe-to-toe with President Trump, giving him one of the most aggressive interviews he’s experienced as president.

“Guthrie pressed the president on his COVID-19 diagnosis, his last negative test, his personal dislike for masks and the conspiracy group QAnon, pressing him and not letting him evade answering. The town hall was a replacement of sorts for the debate Mr. Trump was supposed to take part in Thursday night. But Guthrie was able to challenge Mr. Trump more than former Vice President Joe Biden and Fox News’ Chris Wallace did in an actual debate last month.

“The NBC News journalist asked Mr. Trump about his retweet this week of a conspiracy theory that Biden orchestrated to have Seal Team 6 killed to cover up the fake death of Osama Bin Laden.

Savannah Guthrie: “Why would you send a lie like that to your followers?”

President Trump: “I know nothing about it.”

Guthrie: “You retweeted it.”

Trump: “That was a retweet, that was an opinion of somebody, and that was a retweet. I’ll put it out there, people can decide for themselves, I don’t take a position.”

Guthrie: “I don’t get that. You’re the president — you’re not like someone’s crazy uncle who can just retweet whatever!”

The Commission issued a statement on October 9 announcing that the second debate event would be cancelled.

“On October 8, CPD announced that for the health and safety of all involved, the second presidential debate, scheduled for October 15 in Miami, would be conducted virtually.  Subsequently, the campaigns of the two candidates who qualified for participation in the debate made a series of statements concerning their respective positions regarding their willingness to participate in a virtual debate on October 15, and each now has announced alternate plans for that date.

“It is now apparent there will be no debate on October 15, and the CPD will turn its attention to preparations for the final presidential debate scheduled for October 22.

“Subject to health security considerations, and in accordance with all required testing, masking, social distancing and other protocols, the debate will take place at Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee.”

How did Trump manage to shoot himself in both his feet?

Following the statement by the Commission on Presidential Debates to the effect that “The second presidential debate will take the form of a town meeting, in which the candidates would participate from separate remote locations,” the President, ever the complaining whine-o and crybaby, told Fox Business News anchor Maria Bartiromo during an interview on her Thursday morning program that, “I’m not going to do a virtual debate. I’m not going to waste my time at a virtual debate. The commission changed the debate style and that’s not acceptable to us. I beat him in the first debate [referring to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden], I beat him easily.”

In response to the President’s impetuousness, former Vice President Biden said, “I don’t know what the president is going to do. He changes his mind every second. For me to comment on that now would be irresponsible. I think that if I can follow the Commission’s recommendations – if he goes off and has a rally, I’ll – I don’t know what I’ll do.”

On October 7, Joe Biden had said that, “I think if he still has COVID, we shouldn’t have a debate. I’m not sure what President Trump is all about now, I don’t know what his status is. I’m looking forward to being able to debate him. But I just hope all the protocols are followed, what’s necessary at the time.”

Following his 3-day hospitalization at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center with severe symptoms of COVID-19, it was later discovered that Trump had earlier lied to the Commission about his condition, and having had a COVID-19 test – he had not. He and his entourage purposely arrived late, and declined an on-site test which would have been administered, read, and interpreted on-site by the Cleveland Clinic.

Having rejected the Commission’s offer to conduct a Town Hall in a “virtual” setting to ensure the safety of participants and others, Trump vacillated, then reneged, and turned to NBC to request a Town Hall style meeting… on the same day, in the same time slot as Biden’s Town Hall style meeting on ABC.

Biden had initially declined an in-person Town Hall style meeting with the President based upon Trump’s earlier positive diagnosis for COVID-19, but sought compromise in order to essentially fulfill the terms of the debate.

And in response to the President’s refusal, Biden’s campaign proposed conducting its own town hall on the date originally proposed by the Commission, if Trump refused to participate. Trump responded by proposing a second and third debate in late October.

Independent international news organization The Christian Science Monitor wrote in part that, “The debate between Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden was originally scheduled for Thursday in Miami by the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates, and was changed to a virtual format last week in light of the president’s recent coronavirus diagnosis. Mr. Trump then said he wouldn’t attend a virtual debate – with Mr. Trump in one room and Mr. Biden in another – leading to its cancellation.”

NBC News agreed to put Trump before voters in a town hall style event on Thursday, October 15 – the same day as Biden’s scheduled town hall in Philadelphia – stipulating that beforehand, he must have submitted to an independent coronavirus test with the results reviewed by Dr. Anthony Fauci.

NBC said that Trump was administered a coronavirus test Tuesday by the National Institutes of Health, the results of which were reviewed by NIH Clinical Director Dr. Clifford Lane and Dr. Anthony Fauci, both who stated after reviewing the President’s medical records, that they had a high degree of confidence that the president was “not shedding infectious virus.”

The trend is showing.

Back in August, during the final night of the Republican National Convention the San Jose Mercury News reported that,

“According to Nielsen, Trump and the Republicans generated an average audience of 21.6 million viewers Thursday night. That figure is about 8 percent below the 24.6 million who turned out for the final night of the Democratic National Convention.

“Thursday’s Nielsen numbers include viewership for ABC, CBS, NBC, Telemundo, Univision and the three major cable news networks — Fox News, CNN and MSNBC. Trump’s numbers are expected to slightly rise when PBS and other smaller outlets are factored into the mix.

“Trump’s audience was also much smaller than the 35 million TV viewers who watched him accept his party’s nomination in 2016. According to the Los Angeles Times, it also falls well short of the acceptance speeches of previous Republican nominees John McCain (38.9 million viewers in 2008), Mitt Romney (30.3 million viewers in 2012) and George W. Bush (27.6 million in 2004).

“TV audiences for both 2020 conventions, overall, were down from four years ago, as many viewers these days watch via streaming platforms, which are not included in the Nielsen ratings. And due to limitations caused by the coronavirus pandemic, this year’s events were, for the most part, held virtually and in nearly empty venues, robbing them of the kind of made-for-TV energy and drama that past conventions offered. (Although Trump’s 70-minute speech was delivered in front of a mostly mask-free crowd of 1,500 devotees at the White House and was punctuated by fireworks).”

Trump lost.

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